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Well, I think I say enough about this crap already with my replies to people and in the original posts themselves but I want to get the final word out so people can read and interpret how they will. Thank this artist-confessions.tumblr.com/… for the resurface and sorry for people who don't wish to read about this sort of thing anymore. If you don't please pass it by.


As much as I don't want to address this, I want to to let people know why I do these things. This is kind of like a "snitches-get-stitches" kind of post, isn't it? I don't really have much to say since I already said a load of it when I made these posts but to people who think I want to sick my watchers etc on people it's not true. And remember as ruthless as the internet to these kind of things, they are also VERY forgiving. The Kidchan scenerio for example resolved itself nicely when Kidchan made a formal apology and properly addressed the situation. I haven't heard bulk about it since. And if you look at healingwind's status then you can see that MANY still look up to her and MANY would support her if she decided to start fresh. She hasn't made a decision on that btw, instead she ceased posting on her art accounts.

I don't know what I should say; you can disagree with what I do but I think it's important because I don't want people to get away with being unethical. I'm not a saint whatsoever and I do make mistakes but I do think it's unfair if a commissioner is able to take money and not make contact AT ALL and I think it's unfair if someone is able to do traces for commissions (which many had already stated is illegal.)

People think I'm wrong for calling out artists but then should I just watch? Because I don't know about you but most people keep cheating or doing bad things if there are no consequences because for some there's not much motivation to do good otherwise. I also don't like the fact people are basically lying outright to specific communities. And many people who scold me also say that they DISAGREE with the actions of the offenders. If so then why do you have such a problem? Do you basically want to just let them keep going on but just shake your head quietly? I'd rather be active in solving the problem and hope that they change their ways FOR THE BETTER because again the community is just as forgiving as it is ruthless if you do damage control.

And if you still can't RESPECT or understand my decision (I don't ask you to agree just respect) for why I do these things then I advise you to unwatch me and ignore my internet existence. Because to be honest if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. I'm not on a damn crusade but I'm sick of people letting things go on for years and months and more years and months JUST BECAUSE no one wants to say boo about it and people who do say boo get burned.

AND because I know this is going to be brought up to the people who say "Well, just handle this all privately!" I would absolutely LOVE to do that but when I don't I either have first hand experience that it doesn't work (Kidchan) or secondhand accounts that it doesn't work (healingwind.) I don't get a sick thrill from this and I have my good reasons for not handling these things privately as much as I want to.

If you want to know about my first hand account then how about noting a commissioner ONCE A YEAR to ask about the status and not getting ANYTHING back? And how about my secondhand account where I hear and see a tracer get confronted by the original artist THEN CONFRONTS THE ORIGINAL ARTIST(S) TO TAKE DOWN THE ACCOUNTS OF HER EVER TRACING. I'm really sick of people thinking I do this for no reason.

Honestly it doesn't make sense for me that people allow this to go on and frown on those who just wants to inform people yet they also frown upon those who do the crimes in the first place AND THEY REMAIN QUIET ABOUT IT STILL. I'm not out on some sick witch hunt but that's alright if you think I am because I am not going to change your mind if you've read all of this and still believe so.

I'm done with this response for now, I apologize sorry for the length.
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sute-ki Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
I actually appreciate your journals on these issues. The information is always well organized, and when you give your personal opinion it never sounds hateful.
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homophones Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student General Artist
AC is a piece of crap. Most of the people on AC are pieces of crap. Some dick who's butthurt about the whole Sei fiasco just feels a need to take it out on somebody, and I'm sorry that somebody was you. I'm pretty sure all of the sensible people know the drama towards you is bullshit though.
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BflatMINOR Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
I'm pretty sure it's the anon calling YOU out that has a little bit too much time on their hands and quite the twisted personality. If someone is doing something wrong or something against your morale I find it obvious to let them know. I mean if you don't give them a heads up, they're just going to continue with their wrongdoings. What I want to say is, good for you for speaking up. I really do respect your decision and strong opinions. It's refreshing to see compared to the hoard of immature internet users that apparently have nothing better to do than artist-confessions. :/
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GoldenJay097 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Pfffft I hate Artist-'confessions most of time. XD lol
But what you did was the right thing Niaro, if you haven't confronted her she would have continued of what she's
doing. All I'm wondering why some of these people think it's drama?? XD
Silly people. =_=b
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Apples13 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:O! kidchan traces? did not know
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
No, she does not. It was a commission problem that was resolved in December. Don't worry, Kidchan does not trace.
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Apples13 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
maybe I misunderstood your post... ( not accusing anything)
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tshuki Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Student General Artist
I support you. I think free information flow is very important, and when injustice happens - people need to know. If I know someone is doing bad and don't talk about it I feel like I'm doing a crime too by keeping injustice under the rug. >n<
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lwyn Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
Lol well I'm sure you know how I feel, but I'll say it again cuz I like being supportive and all

There is nothing wrong with voicing your option, however there is a good way and a bad way. YOU do it in a good way, you take your time, do your research , and try to give all the information in a clear and simple matter. THAT'S SMART. I like being able to read something feel informed and be left to have my own thoughts.

NOTHING DRAMA ABOUT THAT.

What I find is ppl who run around, make quick journals/posts based off something that just happened. They don't have proof or back up to thier claims and think shouting will get them what.

THAT'S DRAMA.

Ughh that's what I hate about this day and age. Lets just be quick to get mad and accuse ppl instead of listening, understanding, then making an opion of your own.

I think that pretty much explains my stance (there is only so much my phone types) Glad you have lots of support! Don't dwell on ppl quick to judge you, how they can do that we will never understand, so lets just not waste out time. hope ur day goes better today!!!

*dashes to work*
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gigithestar07 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ugh people like that are annoying tracing is OK if your doing it for practice on shapes not art if you have problems with a circle fine trace it dont blody trace art of a head cause its practice.. I understand if your inspired by an artist but dont trace if you like their art style fine ask if you can ask for pointers or shapes to use.. and make it part of your style.. I feel you I got the same things when I was more part of drawing community, I feel as if its your art then you have a right to say NO I dont want that and people have to respect you for it. It's your art you can tell others what they can and cant do to it/with it. End of story.. I hope this blows out for you I feel for you and hope you have a better time in the future.
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Ohmachidai Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I honestly hate it when artists make call out journals.. BUT only when they are just in an argument of some sort ...

If you illegitimately know an artist is tracing, stealing etc. then I dont mind so much. Those things are frowned upon.. I have seen people being wrongly accused and a popular artist made a call out journal (its terrible)..
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:iconniaro:
niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I'm not trying to accuse her or w/e I'm really just providing the evidence/information I saw and letting people form their opinion. If people can see the overlays and believe that she is just referencing then that is fine for me. I'm not here to shift anyone's opinions one way or another. I'm only spreading the word. I'm never doing it out of malice, just disappointment.
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Ipun Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I honestly have no idea what's going on... but meh~! I did this once, tried informing people
about a girl who would reproduce my artwork and call it hers, people would tell her that her artwork
looked awfully similar to mine and she started making up stories about me sending my watchers to
bully her~! It was hilarious and amusing at the same time x'D eventually I had to make it public,
and people started to accuse me of immature and drama maker... at the end I had to apologize
because I hurt her poor poor feelings :I

People won't just understand.. don't listen to them.. stuff happens.
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Everglaves Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
lol the person who posted that confessions is a complete hypocrite. Lol they are made about you causing drama yet they turn around and do the same thing, it so pathetic. Just ignore them, they are not worth your time or energy.
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Heaven-Blade Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Just keep doing what you feel is right P:
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thewaxmaker Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I support your points, people need to speak out against problems more, the more we sit back and let stuff like this slide, the more it becomes a problem. People really need to take an active role in bettering not only themselves but the community in general. Thank you for the Journal.
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FireNynx Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I had no idea about this since, i somehow missed your last journal.
i respect and agree with that you did and personally, I'm really happy that you pointed it out.
I would have not known otherwise.
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Janiebirrrd Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love that you do this because, I'm not really the type of person whose good at confronting people and speaking openly to them so I think what you're doing is very brave and very admirable and I applaud you for it.
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viralremix Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
You are doing a good thing for the community. I have had dozens upon dozens of artists take my money and not give me a commissions for months, sometimes even years, without responding to brief contact requesting a status update. One person right now has had my money for six months and does not reply to ANYTHING I send them, either dA note or e-mail to the PayPal address, despite being on dA. Honestly, it pisses me off, and I'm obviously past the 45 day deadline for a PayPal dispute. I understand art block, emergencies, etc. but it doesn't excuse ignoring your commissioner.
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neobirdy Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Idk why people would get mad just because you are informing people. Fff
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Envykarp Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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AzureRat Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
A bit confused to what is going on here. Does it means that blog you linked from Tumblr was claiming that you traced work?
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
They're upset with my journals regarding calling out artists like Kidchan and Healingwind. My last journal for example. They don't like it for whatever reason so they decided to make a post about it on artist confessions.
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AzureRat Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well I don't like bullies, if it's true she traced her work without references then at least what she can do is at least mention about references that she borrowed the idea for reference. Tracing work isn't as big as art theft in my book so I don't really think people should bash her that much since it's not like she didn't put effort on making her work look different than originals.

Personally I think she can do great work even without tracing, I'd say she's probably feeling insecure about her work when she clearly has what it takes to be REALLY great artist.

There is way too much hate in this world.
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Buri288 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The biggest problem with this particular case is the artist in question was making a profit off of traced work.
I don't know about you, but if I paid someone to draw something and I found out they had taken the lazy route and traced off an existing image, I'd be pretty pissed off.
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AzureRat Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wait, she's making money out of traced work? In that case she really needs to stop doing that.
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Poki-art Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i dunno whats going on but i hate people who cheat, i hate when they try to cheat, i try to make them do good things and correct and not the easy cheaty way, and i think if you want to be good you should not never ever cheat (fuck yeah my general building construction lectures)
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Basically a whole lot is going on LOL I don't advise you to look too far into it since they're stale problems atm. But feel free to if you're interested.

Yee, I said enough about the malpractice already so I can't really add on mfhngfh But I really appreciate you dropping your comment, thank you.
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lmfao first of all don't pay attention to Artist-'confessions'
the whole blog is just nag nag nag NAG nag naaag nag.

Seriously ff
It made me sick reading their posts :/

But yeah, I don't mind you actually calling these people out! They've gotten their fame in an unfair way and everyone who planned to spend actual money on them should know
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
I don't really pay attention to the poster but I pay attention to the responses and how there are still some people who think I'm pathetic for spreading information. But that's their business if that's their opinion tbh.

I agree, I don't think it's ethical and they keep it up so that's why I feel like I had to. And I'm not always in the right lol like how i previously formatted my last journal. but I learned from my mistakes too. if I want people to be civil I should be just as civil as well. thank you for your comment
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
True true,
But yeah ff
If you want you can just send a mail to the mod and get yourself on the blacklist.

Yeah, everyone makes mistakes, but it's only human ff
You're very welcome c:

And what exactly happened with KidChan btw ? o3o
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
oh! also I don't mind keeping it there since I didn't do anything wrong imo. So I don't need to blacklist myself or to take it down. Thank you though!
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
haha okay xD ~ <3


And for the record, I think you're very nice and inspirational lolol
as long as you don't write about me /shot lol jk xD c:
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
oooh basically uhh 3 years ago I and other people commissioned her and she didn't reply to anyone and kinda left people hanging. So people thought she was a scammer. I confronted her down the road and she commented in my journal (she didn't reply to any of my private notes to her btw) but the situation had no progress until someone made an artist confessions about her MONTHS later. So that's when it got really resolved.

on my side I got a refund after 3 years and I think she's actively doing things to sort out that situation. I haven't really heard bulk about it since.
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ooohhh okay

Basically like the BlueShineWolf thing lololol
Last time I heard she still owes like 40 commissions and isn't responding to notes and shit either, while she /is/ drawing personal art on her facebook and the lot

And now apparently her page is being used as an advertisement place lololol
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tsandere Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Also that tumblr post? That is bullshit.
You have a right to express yourself.
"Creating drama" um isn't that what EVERYONE does on the internet?
People should just pass over it and move on if they don't like it. That's what MATURE people do.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Perhapsss... I mean it's not necessarily my intention to create drama but I realize it is a side effect. Though I did weigh the pros and cons in writing my blog entries and tbh the pros outweigh the cons since the problems do resolve themselves after the fact.
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tsandere Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Yeah, but honestly? Almost every interaction on the internet is gonna result in drama for someone. Especially when it involves someone who is doing something wrong.
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tsandere Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Tracing is wrong, that's for sure.
And if people are getting mad at you for pointing that out, that's stupid. You're pointing out something that's actually wrong and trying to fix it. You're not being a troll and making false accusations or just flaming on something because you can. You're actually trying to fix a genuine problem.
It is kinda hypocritical for people to say "that's wrong, don't do that" and then get mad at you for saying the same thing. Even if you're just more vocal about it than they are. The world is full of rude and annoying people and everyone, sadly, has to deal with that...
I've seen myself artists who have traced others or directly copied their characters to claim as their own, and then get mad when someone says "you traced this." They get all defensive and say stuff like "No, I worked so hard on this how dare you say I traced" and yeah---
So I think so long as the person you're calling out actually did do something illegal or even just something considered immoral by most people, then it's fine and other people shouldn't get mad at you.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
The way she was practicing tracing's wrong but I already made a whole post about it I don't need to go on like a record.

Thank you for your words. I'm very happy that you can see it that way.

As much as I'd like to, I don't understand the people who say "that's wrong" yet scold the people who speak out against it. Like really, I say "that's wrong" to a lot of things but I don't say anything about it but I also don't scold the people who are. That's really baffling to me.

Thank you for your words, I mean I definitely don't do it in a way to taunt the offenders. I just want to inform and people can do what they want with the information it's not up to me to shift their opinion and what they do. I can completely respect if people think healingwind's merely referencing etc so as long as they see the evidence. I hope that's understandable. But yes. Thank you for the comment.
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axelwing Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist
Its alright. Its frustrating a little bit.
Hopefully it'll settle itself out. :3
//pats back
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
It's only frustrating because people don't try to understand more why I'm doing the things I'm doing. But it's okay because I don't want those type of people to be watching me anyway lmao

Thank you <3 I think it'll settle since I've addressed it.
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axelwing Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist
Welp, that's one way of looking at it. xD
No probs! I bet it'll be done and over with faster than you can say "She says seashells on the seashore!"
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