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Healingwind Traces

Journal Entry: Mon Jan 7, 2013, 2:26 AM


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healingwind posts a new journal "and if you're wanting to scroll down to either comment box and write hate, stop right now and think about your life. sending death threats to my tumblr account is too much. sorry, i'm done."


dudes don't send her hate messages. I saw on the failingwind blog someone told her to cut off her hands. art thief isn't any means a reason to chop someone's hands off but I also wish she stopped skating around the problem and just come to terms with what she did, apologized, and stopped doing it. I understand the situation must frustrate some but always remain civil.

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Edit: Because I don't want to send the wrong message across, the journal is edited as to not distract people from the point which is to provide the information that's already accessible on the internet. Original written journal is here: sta.sh/0286q5dqpxgw

Basically I would like to say that I have found out that the artist :iconhealingwind: traces and it is a reoccurring event. I've turned my head from this problem twice but she keeps persisting on this practice and so this is why I'm making this journal.


Image above is an image of a secret santa healingwind posted that's now mysteriously missing from her gallery. It's an overlay of what she traced.

I do understand that it may not be in my place to post this journal because I haven't spoken to healingwind personally about it but I really just wanted people to know this information since it is on the internet and things has happened. If she's changed her ways/made an announcement regarding the tracing and junk I will definitely edit this journal to keep people updated but until then this is how it is wawawa...

The "failingwind" tumblr: failingwind.tumblr.com/

I looked away from her tracing a couple of times over a few months but after a while I decided to post.

event 1: nisoniso calls her out failingwind.tumblr.com/post/39… Nisoniso found traced pictures of her art from healingwind. This was the first time I personally found out about the situation and healingwind and nisoniso sorted it out. Okay, great. Thinking that's the last time she'd trace it was easier to let go. But she continued her acts after the resolution and niso has immortalized the matter on her blog.

event 2: Artist Confessions rinslette.tumblr.com/post/3844… So when she persisted in tracing an artist-confessions post was created to call her out-- which she requested removal of the following day. It was posted late December but there is evidence she has traced between the nisoniso matter and the artist-confession's post. So she hadn't stopped after being confronted by niso but she also hadn't done a public resolve and own up to her mistakes. Instead she kept sweeping matters under the rug.

event 3: failingwind blog failingwind.tumblr.com/ Here I saw even more traced art that included SSes, commissions, and contests on DA OMG CONTEST RESULTSWatch These Awesome Artists
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:iconhealingwind:

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:iconGashi-gashi:

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:bulletred:Explosion Of Madness Contest Winners:bulletred:
1st Place- :iconcyblix:

2nd Place- :iconhealingwind:
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3rd Place- :iconbag-chan:
Lets Watch the Tele by BagToon Green Tastes Good by BagToonCrimson Pain by BagToonKiss Me Under the Pink Lit Sky by BagToonRun Away Russian Post by BagToon
:iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz::iconscrollblockplz:
:bulletorange:Hounourable Mentioning's:bulletorange:
Honourable Mention- :iconLevioleur:
:iconNarcissa92devil:Explosion Of Madness A Joint Oc Contest my entry by Narcissa92devil
Honourable Mention- :iconmaniacalartist:
:iconcookie-gear:Cont - Levi Chagrin by cookie-gearCont - ManAyce by cookie-gear
Honourable Mention- :iconnusine:
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<- contest she got second place in for a TRACED PICTURE

post about it here: failingwind.tumblr.com/post/39…


Also traced commission above that was taken down later. failingwind.tumblr.com/post/39…

This is why I've decided to make a journal about it. Tracing in general is not alright, however she entered a contest she got second placed in, she traced a gift for someone, and she traced a commission. These three are especially heinous to me because tracing for a contest is stealing opportunity from someone else who put their all in their picture, tracing a gift makes someone not able to look at their gift with happiness, and tracing a commission is basically stealing money.

Also she knows she is doing something wrong because she immediately takes down accused pictures on da and posts process gifs as of late in an attempt to prove her authenticity.

She was a major inspiration to me but after finding this out I pretty much throw this out the window.

I've commissioned her before and now I question if my commission is traced because of this. Also anything impressive or dynamic she's drawn.

But I just posted this not as a call to harass her/witch hunt her/OR TO NOTIFY THE DA STAFF OF HER DOING but as a source of information for people like me who looked up to her and awed at her talent.

You are free to leave with your own opinion of her after reading my journal and I am not here to rally against her. Thank you for reading and I apologize if my original journal distracted you from my original point.

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RoweniiChan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
well.... I wish that I found this earlier....

I knew her months ago and today, I get back to search for her arts and I saw this journal.

She's my idol for quite a long time but I didn't know that she's tracing, it's a shock to me.

But I want to say thank you to you that you wake me up, thanks a lot!
I'm disappointed, she's talented...

what you are doing is right, thank you for posting this journal!
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SimpleAimlessness Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly, I was recently on her tumblr admiring her Kurobasu AU, seeing how well-received it was. What struck me as odd was that all her previous works had been removed, but I assumed it was just the occasional cleaning artists do.

The thing keeping me skeptical about all of this is that healingwind has exceptional artistic ability and her final products are wholly redesigned- the tracing seems limited to poses? What I don't understand is why exactly someone with such abilities would stoop to tracing? All in all, I can't overlook her behaviour in response to all of this, but I'm really quite curious about her side of the story...
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ruricho Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Have you seen this post? [link]
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
arghh heart dropped a bit seeing it LOL I'll figure out how to address it today ty for showing me... I'm more afraid of reading the responses to it but we'll see haha;;
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ruricho Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013
DW I don't agree with them. (:
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Atobe333 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The ac post wasn't neccessary... I don't see it as you creating drama. You're just expressing the truth
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Gallifreyevermore Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
She has a lot of talent... that's why I'm so disappointed...
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Shii-ion Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
uggh if onlt the anon din comment in an inmmature way by using death threat cuz now she can use it to make herself a victim orll tho its like 50% to justify ppl actually send the threads since hw hav the history of mingling. she still haven appologise about herself tracing.

I was a fan of her too then I saw the way she draw kise n aomine looks like from niso and sara666 then I saw niso' post. I have to say nii ur my heroo for posting this on ur journal, I'm a coward ahhh hjfg so I only go annon
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
yeah it's a bit victimizing but it seems people don't really get distracted by that, they just state that they think it's wrong then they continue with their opinion

and yeee there still isn't a public apology for tracing but it's up to her i suppose. i don't see the point since honestly everyone knows by now...

I was a fan of hers for a while and it's a shame that talent is going to waste since I know she has some just she made the wrong decisions.

hnghhh thank you shiion I'm really glad that you think so ;;; i had to take some time to decide if I wanted to do this but in the end I'm glad so that people will know and won't be misled by her.
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sute-ki Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
wow this is really disappointing, specially since it seems like she's able to draw just doesn't want to put the effort into coming up with stuff herself :C
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sukibelle Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
i really respect you for making this journal niaro<3
i just wish she would apologise >.<
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Same... I feel like if she apologized and properly moved on she could have a good path in art (or at least a far better one) with some scars on her back but be better for it. :/ Thank you so much for your support :heart: It honestly means a lot.
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sukibelle Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
for sure.. its really amazing how so many people dont see how a simple, heart felt 'im sorry' can make everything so much better.. hopefully she will see the error of her ways sooner rather than later! and its okay ;v;<333 it really needed to be addressed, and i think you went about it in a completely reasonable, just way<3
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GoldenJay097 Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
After reading this journal, it hurt me that she traced some of these drawings.
I really admire her, like REALLY admire her! And reading this just blew my mind and sadden me afterwards.
This starting to change my mind about her, like completely change, and it feels like taking a arrow to the heart and be wounded. I'm not gonna lie about that, that's how I really feel right now.

And like you I'm throwing it out of the window also, I really love how she draw and everything but now seeing this...
it still blow my mind. :(
Thank you for the info Niaro, your also one of the artists I admire too and I'm glad your real. :iconsweethugplz:
Sorry for sappy all over the place, I'm still in shock and my mind isn't going straight right now. lol
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013
Wa yeah, if you follow the blog you can see more updates everyday it seems amdhngfh

Me too; she was a stem of inspiration for me as well so I was really shocked and discouraged with a lot of things related towards her. : / and it's really sad to see people cosplay her kurobas AU without knowing as well... think about how disheartened they'll be when they find out. ah I'm sorry you feel that way but I felt it too ;_; I hope you cope with it well!

hrgh yes I unfollowed her and now trying to see if she will try to turn herself around but change is not showing up anytime, though it seems more and more people know about it now so she can't really run from this problem lol

Thanks for taking the time to look and ahhh dmfhgfnh you're sweet, I'm very happy that you admire me ;_; ;; It's no problem, I know very well how it felt and it's a shame that an inspiration took place in malpractice. Feel better soon!
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist

Well this wasn't either a downer nor an upper for me, this didn't change really my thoughts of her.

Honestly, first of all... before posting a journal like this you should have spoken to her face-to-face if you tried to contact her for a while and they haven't replied then maybe its alright to vent a bit.

But overall please don't do these types of journals and less to call out an artist. I know you mean well... but its not really the nicest thing nor the greatest action, specially on DA. You might say you don't want anyone who reads this journal to witch-hunt her but that's out of your power.

You can't be the one to dictate someone to do something, its like when you put art up. You can make the reclaims but that won't stop the art-thief from stealing or the observant one consciously redo your work but when you leave a reclaim it does wake-up the conscious and there is a warning at least.

How do we start off in art? Oh right, we start off by tracing because we don't learn to develop our eyes to observe the proportions or the lines. And that's alright. Tracing helps everyone to develop the gesture and movement of the hand at least.

Now I am not saying that grabbing someone else's art and tracing over it, then claiming it as yours publicly is right. Its not.

But I'd been watching HW's work process and I do believe she has developed a good eye for perspective and proportions.

Now composition-stealing? That's preposterous. With all the art that has been done.... I think we wouldn't even be allowed to make compositions if they were actually owned. Imagine The Monalisa its a simple composition with the woman centralized and her hands, bam!! There are 250 works of women exactly the same as that one centralized woman with a simple/complex background.

And the poses well its just the same.

Anyhow, HW's also has been offering some process-gif so people can see the process she has gone through.

Overall, the only thing I say... is too watch out when you post journals like these specially without speaking to the artist directly.

The past is in the past. Don't revive what might happened awhile ago... Try to look from the beginning of that end til now. If you don't like her work because you feel she traces and you can't trust her, then there is the option of unwatching her.

-shrugs- ... Believe me there are people who actually traces and steal other people artwork, they actually do it and their never called out.

I also seen HW's LS and it gone well, she has done her fair stuff from scratch.

Overall I think she is really looking for references for composition, perspective and poses; there's nothing wrong with that and most artists on DA do that.

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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I'm going to do my best to address as many points as I can please bare with me

It's been happening over a course of time with evidence of confrontation. Maybe she stopped, maybe she didn't but this tracing practice has been continuing after the nisoniso incident (the one where the artist and her seemed to settle matters but she continued malpractice anyway) and even as late till last November. And it's not the nicest, and I do mean well because I want people who are unaware to just KNOW about it. What they do with the information is w/e but I don't want people to commission her, follow her, or look up to her without the information. People who's minds/opinions aren't changed are just as fine really. It's just them having this information to move on with that's important.

Sorry I'm a bit confused with the reclaiming thing, but yeah posting won't stop art thieves but I think it's wrong so I'll do things that I think is right in return. Just basically warning people of her practice is all I'd like to do etc etc. Because she was caught IN THE PAST and yet she kept on doing it without any public resolve so I don't see any signs of her changing her ways so this is why this journal is up. If she does make an announcement and explain her side publicly-- basically addressing the situation, then even this journal will be updated. I do follow up with stuff I don't like keeping things up for the sake of making an artist look bad.

mmmm we start off with tracing sure, but the thing is she isn't a beginner. We all start out crawling too but you don't see people crawl around on the streets still LOL Basically she knows better to do more proper practice in her works and just because it's easier doesn't mean it's okay. And she knows it's wrong because she immediately takes down deviations in question. I trace/reference/gesture in my own practices as a learning tool but I never present it as a final results as my own work of art. It's different to learn and different to practice-- it's really like in research essays where you learn things from others but you don't properly quote them and try to claim it as your own ideas, then you get hit for plagiarism.

mmm the thing is there's suspicion when things line up line for line and it's obvious that they are traced over but if it's not convincing you then it shouldn't need to. I'm not here to sway a person's opinion, I'm just here to state mine. And the composition and pose stealing is realllly her tracing over the pictures done by other pixiv artists and whatnot. I've seen a BILLION kissing poses etc on the same blog but they all look very different regardless of similar style or not. It's easy to spot a trace when you have the images etc... So yes, you can't copyright poses or compositions but you can't deny that there are lines that match up line for line. If using other artists work as a guideline is okay then idk what to say. I believe in reference not using another artist's work as an underlayer. Some of the stuff on the failingwind blog is a stretch, I do agree. But her SS, Aomine commission, and contest entries are really quite suspicious.

I am watching myself, I'm sure people will disagree with this and people have but I will just share stuff that I have seen elsewhere. People are free to think what they want and to check into the situation or not. She's been offering progress gifs that don't necessarily prove anything because I can EASILY fudge the guidelines of a finished picture myself and post it too.

I don't know what a while ago is to you but late November is really recent to me and especially after the Niso incident, I see no sign of changes. If she clears it up with the communities that spotted this (tumblr/da etc) then she can move on and won't have people like me making journals about her and the failingwind blog would have no means of existence. I don't bring up past things as long as there's a resolve, but this matter had been constantly swept under the rug and that's not okay.

She's undoubtedly talented, of course-- but malpractice is malpractice whether a coal or a diamond is result of it. And I have unwatched her but I want others like me before not to be blissfully unaware of what she does.

And people who trace and steal don't get called out because people are either afraid to speak out or they look away. It doesn't mean that they shouldn't or that it's not okay. There's no reason for someone to stop cheating if it doesn't bother them morally and if they're not caught.

I do believe she can draw some things independently because she does have talent; which makes it a great shame to me that she insists on piggybacking on other artists' works and claiming it fully as her own until she gets caught.

If you believe that then that's quite fine but I still believe that there is a line being crossed between "referencing" and "tracing" here. It really leads to a case of plagiarism.
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist


First of all this is a place of Free-Speech. I have nothing against you nor the other artist, I really am a bit indifferent but I guess the most thing that bothers me is the fact you didn't contacted Healing-Wind...

At least from most of my companions that have commissioned HW, they say this person is very easy to contact. And I guess this is what makes me disagree the most with your entire journal... Not because is true or a lie, but if you had dialogue with HW directly... it would have been another story when it comes to this journal.

I saw the few changes you did to this journal, it mostly sounded at first as if... you were just summoning a witch-hunt call but now it sounds okayish. Overall... I must agree that the fact were called ignorant is a bit offensive because there are people that didn't even knew.

Also in some of the traces that you call-out the lines aren't perceived 100% accurate, there are some parts where the anatomy structure has been getting better. Not trying to defend her or anything, just pointing out what I see.

Just to make it clear, I don't like people that actually trace over people's works and post them if they were their own with minor color and accessories changes.

People will noticed if HW is tracing and will call her out.

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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Basically I'm saying I don't need to contact her to let people know of what is going on on these blogs on the internet. I'm doing it to share with others who don't know of this information and I don't know her personally and I don't care to. People will see what they see, and if you see that she is doing no wrong and only referencing then that is the opinion you should hold and leave with and I will completely respect it and others' opinions.
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist

Basically I understand what you are trying to do, but its also unfair just to let others know one side of the story and not allowing the other part speak for themselves.

I never said if she was right or wrong but I was pointing out a few things I saw. I rather remain neutral than taking sides but it also makes me think you have no interest in making things correctly all the way.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Who's to say contacting her is correct for this scenerio... I understand your point here and I definitely understand seeing the flaws in my method of blogging but yes. This situation had past opportunities to be resolved numerous of times from past times she's caught but it is not. If you would like to see an example of why I believe contacting her is futile I would like for you to click this link: [link]

It's a bit long to read but it gets the point across. Though if you persist that I absolutely must have her side of the story personally, I'm not willing to do journalism work and to interview her for this since it's an informal blog. If she ever clears it up on her own accord after seeing all of these things being said about her then I will update accordingly.
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist


Like I said, its not about doing journalism. Its about having both side of the story.

You wouldn't like to be judged and then silenced off?
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Not silencing her at all! She's free to make her point whenever to clear things up with her accusers (there are other bloggers than me notifying others for sure) and if she ever does make a proper resolve then I'll definitely edit this journal because I do care and I don't want this to just state the bad. :\
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I kept the original journal in order to show people what I had typed originally and I'm not trying to hide anything myself but I also don't want people to ignore the point because they focus on my poor words instead of what is happening.

And I used ignorant as a term for unaware because I believe I was ignorant as well. I didn't see ignorance as an offence just in the term that "ignorance is bliss" but I will be using "unaware" for future comments.

Healingwind is easy to contact for commissions and well she was friendly and for commissions purpose. You're getting something out of it and she's getting something out of it. But with this she had a history of call outs and requests people to take down what they have forementioned on their blogs.

I wish you wouldn't focus on the fact that I didn't contact her personally and thought more about the actual situation as if I, myself, never pointed it out and you found it else where on the internet. I formed a biased on you because of that and it's harder to explain why this is important to know. The thing is, with the contacts I had little motivation because she proved herself to be the type to silence others and whatnot. I mean I contacted people before and waited years for results and just it's not any good and really this is just for a warning because the malpractice is recent.

Yes. People will notice if Healingwind is tracing and call her out-- which is exactly what I did and why some know now.
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist

Well I am not ignoring what is happening, I know what is happening at least your side of the story. I want to know what HW's has to say but since you haven't spoken to her I really haven't run to a final conclusion.

Honestly a lot of people have called you out for not trying to contact her, your just using a poor-excuse really.

I know you want people to be aware of who they are following/looking-up too but you also have to speak to the fellow artist.

There are two sides to a coin not one.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
It's a notification for others and I don't mind if others find it's a poor excuse and I'm not even trying to force anything on others so this is just here as a journal to give more access to the situation. They're free to form whatever thoughts they will.

We do have different opinions and I don't find it a necessity for me to contact her at this point or time.

We'll have to end up agreeing to disagree because I want to keep this up so the issue's not swept under the rug. If you care about the conclusion then please follow up the failingwind blog and perhaps even contact healingwind yourself for her side of the story. Thank you for your words.
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Ojos-Egipcios Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist

Actually, I don't think your argument is weak at all the only "weakness" that it has for me its the lack of contact with HW.

That's all overall my thoughts of you and your work hasn't changed. I still have lot of respect for you and even now, so thank you for sitting down and taking time to dialogue with me.

Ah we don't have to disagree nor agree, I am very neutral. Its really HW's problem if she is or not tracing, I still think she is good making-up designs, patterns and characters. And yet it is a very sad new to know/learn that she depends much on tracing works. But since I don't know her side yet I shall just wait.

Overall thank you for sharing the news, making awareness on dA and taking time to respond & dialogue.

Hope I was no problem. Like I said I rather be honestly neutral. But thank you.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I really appreciate you upholding an educated conversation with me. I can't even begin with how much I respect that LOL I want to make sure I fully understand the people I'm talking with calmly and civilly in cases like this because these sort of opinions are serious and should be taken with care and should be given the time they deserve.

I'm happy that you respect my decisions in this matter as well and I'm not upset at all by our conversation since it was very calm and we were just clearing up some points to gain a better understanding between us. U v U Thank you as well.
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WesBrindley Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that just ticks me off!
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Yuupix Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I cant believe this........i was a huge fan of hers ;_____;
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arashi-chi Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I'm going to cry..The world is so ugly sometimes :iconcraiplz:
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Rueq Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Eesh I've been seeing a lot recently. Honestly.. what's so hard about crediting references? Or even asking to use a piece as a reference? Why not do these instead of tracing?
I think I saw something about her on artist confessions, but if you wanted you could also submit this to the livejournal group artist's beware. It's like night and day between them and AC, and I tend to go to AB because it's run better.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I guess I like artist-beware because they can only post it as resolved and not take it down like AC but tumblr is usually a good place for spreading the word wakawaka. still I think this is enough and I'll spare AB LOL

anddddd justttt I think it's a matter of creativity and idk why not credit it's just to show you did it on your own or smth...

but we all have our moments and I guess that's when art slumps happen. still I'd rather take that then trace for a final picture. thank you for commenting wawawa
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Rueq Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
That's true. AB is always a good place to go to though if you just literally wanted to post a 'beware'. Like tumblr lots of people would see it.

See that would really both me! I'd feel so guilty haha.

That's true.. though it doesn't really justify her tracing though because she's done it again and again. None of this would have happen if she'd done what I mentioned before aaa. You're welcome u w u
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tshuki Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
I also made a journal about it today. //It seems we both got fed up at the same time. ha ha
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
hurts if we both looked up to her LOL
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tshuki Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student General Artist
yup, it hurts. Even more so, because the stuff she makes is pretty, if only she'd work on her own poses and anatomy - she could make the same quality art.
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mcstarries Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I'm going to have to agree with ~DarthSpikeinator that making witch hunt journals like these is quite uncouth. Tracing is terrible, I don't disagree with you on that, but this isn't much more morally high-bred. If you feel a problem is at a point where you have no choice but to make a public display of it, you could at least conduct your post in a more mature manner instead of going about it with this attitude that says "ha ha ha I got you now bitch"

All that aside, I'm sad to see that she does trace. I didn't personally care for her much, but my boyfriend likes her art a lot. I'd be heart broken if my favorite artist traced his work.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Edited the journal with the original format available as a sta.sh post. Hopefully, it should be fine now!
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
hmmmm I don't think I'm really handling all that badly but I can see how it's interpreted that way? I don't think it's a witch hunt I REALLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HARASS HER just know about it. I guess the journal itself could have been worded differently?

If it comes down to it I'll edit the journal into a more formal matter and word it to make people more comfortable. I just kind of worded it in a way I usually type along with some disappointment in there. But yeah, I worded the journal loosely and casually but I definitely don't want my words to distract people from the point so I could edit that if that problem persists.

yeee she was one of my fave artists so it was heartbreaking. But yes, regarding the "haha I got you now" thing I don't really want to get that across because it was really just me trying to speak loosely while providing the information. otherwise I think I'm quite "civil" in the comments below it. Though I could have used less words and just provided the info since that was my purpose.

Thank you for the input, I think I'll edit my journal and post a link to the original journal in a sta.sh post.
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lwyn Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Lol wow I love hope ppl are miffed at you for posting. Hey if it's something you need to say, say it jeez ppl, DA is horrible at doing stuff most of the time UNLESS random. ppl say Shiz.

But I am with you, after the commssion you reblogged I was, WOW I should just snag a ride on this, but after the proof...just yeah...I don't know if there is any talent there...

Yeah you can agrue 'well lines don't fit 100%' or 'well the details are different' there are lots of different ways to steal, just cuz you paint a horse orange doesn't make it less of a horse.

I ain't too good at long drowned out talks, but I agree with ya. (U.U)b
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Yeee, a lot of things doesn't happen until something's said by someone LOL I DON'T LIKE BEING THE PERSON THAT DOES IT BUT ERGHH snitches get stitches I wouldn't want people who idolize (like I did) her stay ignorant of this matter wakawaka but if they still want to be her fan after knowing this or they don't believe it I completely respect that and I won't push my thoughts onto them

yeah her commission was SF nice and she was great to contact with but just she traced another commission she did and I was just oooh... nooo......

AMDHNGFHF that's a good point. yeah there's referencing and there's blatant tracing squints

it's fine wa!! thanks for reading my junk and leaving your thoughts LOL
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lwyn Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
And that's very repectable! Which is why I'm a little pev'd ppl are saying ur spreading hate or Shiz like that. Clearly you are just making ppl aware NOT telling them to go do something. There is a difference.

Tracing doesn't improve your skills at all. So I'm not sure why ppl do it... Idk the whole thing just bothers me, but I do like being informed (even if you don't like posting stuff like this)
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not sure if I actually believe this?? Since she actually made a progress animation gif of her latest artwork and it doesn't look like she only traces etc idk

I can't look at the artwork you mentioned in the journal because I'm on my phone but I'll check it out when I get home
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Sure thing! I'm not forcing anything on anyone, just showing the information that's out there. Also yeee, I've seen the process gifs to prove her art but the thing is I can very easily fudge fake guidelines/sketches from a finished picture as well. I mean I doubt she traces EVERYTHING but I can't help but to pull every dynamic pose/impressive picture of hers into question because of this.

wa sure thing and I don't mind your opinion either way as a result I'll definitely respect it
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iMonox Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
true true but yeah
it kinda seems unlogical for someone to trace because she does seem to have talent??

idk anymore

Thanks for taking the time to respond!!
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Lanaluu Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm personally not a fan of these journals calling out people like this, seems like something more for Tumblr. Only thing good about these journals is DA will take recolonization of the issue if more than one person reports her and they have proof from these original artists that their artwork was not up for grabs. I know DA is very strict with the whole tracing thing now, and you can't really blame them considering they probably get 473874923 reports of "traced" art.

I never watched this person... always found the style very cliche. I don't know how many works she does trace, or if she does do it to all her works. Perhaps this could have been sorted out by contacting her personally? Unless you've tried that, I sort of skimmed. ;; IDK... if you're going to trace grab some stock photos, that's what those are there for, don't trace finalized animu pictures. Also, people, there's a difference between tracing and referencing, don't get these two things confused.

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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
I can defintiely understand not being a fan of these type of journals and haha in fact I did find out about it on tumblr... But like I feel like it's necessary for those on DA to know since she enters contests and secret santas on here and just it hits too close to this community to not say anything about it trust me I've definitely debated over posting it or not

I really don't want her banned or whatever from DA, but I want her to like own up to it and fix her mistakes. I'm sure people will forgive her but she keeps doing it and burying the accused pictures by taking them off her gallery etc so she knows what she's doing is wrong she just keeps at it... and I've been seeing this happening over a couple of months and so and just no one seems to really know about it? so after a while I finally made my decision...

I really like how she draws and the style itself, so she was up on top of my faves for a while and even an inspiration really. But just ooh, terrible when I found this out.

mm, there are those that have contacted her personally about it but I have not confronted her about it. She also tries to hide messages and try to make people like niso take down their accusations after she's taken down a picture but just why would you keep doing it over and over again and post until you're confronted of it again I just don't understand orz

I do understand that it may not be in my place to post this journal because I haven't spoken to healingwind personally about it but I really just wanted people to know this information since it is on the internet and things has happened. If she's changed her ways/made an announcement regarding the tracing and junk I will definitely edit this journal to keep people updated but until then this is how it is wawawa...

Also yeah, exactly there's a diff between referencing and tracing and I don't approve of tracing finalized creations to use as a short cut and just adding your own details afterwards.
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Lanaluu Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You should have contacted her privately prior to making accusations against her especially considering you're not on a personal level with her... cause there are people that will flat out go bonkers and start flaming, which is understandable it is quite disgusting and unfair to see a traced artist get so much e-fame and possibly profiting from traced artwork.

But in the end this is the internet, and this is your blog... people can't tell you what to write.

Tracing stock photos for anatomy practice is a very good method at learning anatomy. Tracing finalized animu pics where all the body types are the same... is not.
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niaro Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2013
Yeah, I mean I'll edit the journal if she updates her status on these mistakes but it's undoubtedly wrong. People on the internet will react in different ways and yes. I considered on contacting her but after seeing niso and her work things out with little resolve the motivation to do so wasn't very much. I'm glad you respect my decision to write this and I definitely respect your input. But the thing is with commissions and what not that may even be illegal to do orz to sell like, traced pictures for commercial use etc.but yes I'm just putting it out there and if she changes I'll be sure to share the good with the bad for sure

Tracing is a good tool; there are a lot of people that improve in that method because it is a learning tool. But yes, I'm p sure we know the issue here with her practice.
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